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### apt sources.list for multimedia

J.Bakshi [j.bakshi at icmail.net]

Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:09:25 +0530

Dear list,

I did a net installation of lenny. I have not found xmms and I think the source is mising from the configuration. Here is my sources.list

    deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free
    deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
    deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrin non-free

will it need additional source to have the multimedia ?

Thanks

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Neil Youngman [ny at youngman.org.uk]

Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:43:50 +0100

On Monday 06 October 2008 18:39, J.Bakshi wrote:

    > Dear list,
    >
    > I did a net installation of lenny. I have not found xmms and I think the
    > source is mising from the configuration. Her is my sources.list
    >
    > deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free
    > deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
    > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrin non-free
    >
    > will it need additional source to have the multimedia ?

2 minutes with Google tells me it's not in Lenny. Various other people seem to have packages and/or installation instructions, but you can Google as well as I can.

Neil

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Rick Moen [rick at linuxmafia.com]

Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:58:06 -0700

Quoting Neil Youngman (ny@youngman.org.uk):

    > 2 minutes with Google tells me it's not in Lenny.

...for lack of a package maintainer, whose root cause I don't know for sure, but being antiquated and requiring odd gtk 1.x libs may have something to do with it, not to mention highly questionable licensing (GPLed source code, but tightly integrated to proprietary codecs).

"audacious" (gtk2-based) might be a better bet. Or xmms2, though that's somewhat of a different thing.

Or, if you're absolutely determined you want xmms, build the package yourself: http://vivapinkfloyd.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-to-install-xmms-in-debian-lenny.html

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Ben Okopnik [ben at linuxmafia.com]

Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:19:27 -0400

On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 01:58:06PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:

    > Quoting Neil Youngman (ny@youngman.org.uk):
    >
    > > 2 minutes with Google tells me it's not in Lenny.
    >
    > ...for lack of a package maintainer, whose root cause I don't know for
    > sure, but being antiquated and requiring odd gtk 1.x libs may have
    > something to do with it, not to mention highly questionable licensing
    > (GPLed source code, but tightly integrated to proprietary codecs).
    >
    > "audacious" (gtk2-based) might be a better bet.  Or xmms2, though that's
    > somewhat of a different thing.

Quite the different thing, as I found out last week. Instead of a music player, it's now some weird client/server thing, with a broken console-based controller app - and no way (that I could find) to do anything like 'xmms2 song.mp3' and have it play. Highly aggravating, that; if you're going to completely change not just the interface but the very nature of an app, the name should not imply that it's just an improved/updated version.

I got rid of the damn thing after struggling with it for half an hour and getting progressively more and more annoyed. 'audacious' is close enough to the functioning of the original 'xmms' that I'm happy to use it instead - but it's somewhat of a pain to lose the use of the habits I've built up over the years of using 'xmms'.

    --
    * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET *

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J.Bakshi [j.bakshi at icmail.net]

Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:26:54 +0530

On Tuesday 07 Oct 2008 2:28:06 am Rick Moen wrote:

    > Quoting Neil Youngman (ny@youngman.org.uk):
    > > 2 minutes with Google tells me it's not in Lenny.
    >
    > ...for lack of a package maintainer, whose root cause I don't know for
    > sure, but being antiquated and requiring odd gtk 1.x libs may have
    > something to do with it, not to mention highly questionable licensing
    > (GPLed source code, but tightly integrated to proprietary codecs).
    >
    > "audacious" (gtk2-based) might be a better bet.  Or xmms2, though that's
    > somewhat of a different thing.
    >
    > Or, if you're absolutely determined you want xmms, build the package
    > yourself:
    > http://vivapinkfloyd.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-to-install-xmms-in-debian-len
    >ny.html

Hello Rick,

Thanks a lot to make me familiar about the xmms issue. thanks for the link but I like to give audacious a try. If it is also light weight and user friendly like xmms then I'll continue with it.

Thanks

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J.Bakshi [j.bakshi at icmail.net]

Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:02:10 +0530

On Tuesday 07 Oct 2008 8:26:54 am J.Bakshi wrote:

    > On Tuesday 07 Oct 2008 2:28:06 am Rick Moen wrote:
    > > Quoting Neil Youngman (ny@youngman.org.uk):
    > > > 2 minutes with Google tells me it's not in Lenny.
    > >
    > > ...for lack of a package maintainer, whose root cause I don't know for
    > > sure, but being antiquated and requiring odd gtk 1.x libs may have
    > > something to do with it, not to mention highly questionable licensing
    > > (GPLed source code, but tightly integrated to proprietary codecs).
    > >
    > > "audacious" (gtk2-based) might be a better bet.  Or xmms2, though that's
    > > somewhat of a different thing.
    > >
    > > Or, if you're absolutely determined you want xmms, build the package
    > > yourself:
    > > http://vivapinkfloyd.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-to-install-xmms-in-debian-l
    > >en ny.html
    >
    > Hello Rick,
    >
    > Thanks a lot to make me familiar about the xmms issue. thanks for the link
    > but I like to give audacious a try. If it is also light weight and user
    > friendly like xmms then I'll continue with it.
    >
    > Thanks

Well, just installed audacious. it is like xmms. I'll continiue with it. Thanks for making me familiar with it.

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Chris Bannister [mockingbird at earthlight.co.nz]

Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:44:41 +1300

On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 05:19:27PM -0400, Ben Okopnik wrote:

    > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 01:58:06PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:

[..]

    > > "audacious" (gtk2-based) might be a better bet.  Or xmms2, though that's
    > > somewhat of a different thing.
    >
    > Quite the different thing, as I found out last week. Instead of a
    > music player, it's now some weird client/server thing, with a broken
    > console-based controller app - and no way (that I could find) to do
    > anything like 'xmms2 song.mp3' and have it play. Highly aggravating,
    > that; if you're going to completely change not just the interface but
    > the very nature of an app, the name should not imply that it's just an
    > improved/updated version.

And the developers had the gaul to moan about the bugs being submitted complaining about how it isn't like xmms.

I use moc, myself.

    --
    Chris.
    ======
    I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
    than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
    possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
                                               -- Sir Stephen Henry Roberts

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Ben Okopnik [ben at linuxgazette.net]

Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:04:48 -0400

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 05:44:41PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:

    > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 05:19:27PM -0400, Ben Okopnik wrote:
    > > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 01:58:06PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
    > [..]
    > > > "audacious" (gtk2-based) might be a better bet.  Or xmms2, though that's
    > > > somewhat of a different thing.
    > >
    > > Quite the different thing, as I found out last week. Instead of a
    > > music player, it's now some weird client/server thing, with a broken
    > > console-based controller app - and no way (that I could find) to do
    > > anything like 'xmms2 song.mp3' and have it play. Highly aggravating,
    > > that; if you're going to completely change not just the interface but
    > > the very nature of an app, the name should not imply that it's just an
    > > improved/updated version.
    >
    > And the developers had the gaul to moan about the bugs being submitted

                                 ^^^^

    > complaining about how it isn't like xmms.

Must be because they're French. You did notice how 'xmms2' is divided into three parts?

("gall" is ostensibly what the developers have. Perhaps along with wormwood, since they're probably bitter about the complaints.

    > I use moc, myself.

Oh, cool! I'd never run across it before, and since Midnight Commander is one of my favorite apps, it makes for an excellent and consistent look on my desktop. Thanks!

    > I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
    > than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
    > possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
    >                                            -- Sir Stephen Henry Roberts

[grin] I've always liked that one, but I've seen it attributed to half a dozen different people so far.

    --
    * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET *

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Chris Bannister [mockingbird at earthlight.co.nz]

Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:43:13 +1300

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 09:04:48AM -0400, Ben Okopnik wrote:

    > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 05:44:41PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
    > > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 05:19:27PM -0400, Ben Okopnik wrote:
    > > > Quite the different thing, as I found out last week. Instead of a
    > > > music player, it's now some weird client/server thing, with a broken
    > > > console-based controller app - and no way (that I could find) to do
    > > > anything like 'xmms2 song.mp3' and have it play. Highly aggravating,
    > > > that; if you're going to completely change not just the interface but
    > > > the very nature of an app, the name should not imply that it's just an
    > > > improved/updated version.
    > >
    > > And the developers had the gaul to moan about the bugs being submitted

                                   ^^^^

oops.

    > > complaining about how it isn't like xmms.
    >
    > Must be because they're French.  You did notice how 'xmms2' is
    > divided into three parts?
    >
    > ("gall" is ostensibly what the developers have. Perhaps along with
    > wormwood, since they're probably bitter about the complaints.

mmm ... http://dictionary.die.net/gall

    	n 1: an open sore on the back of a horse caused by ill-fitting
    	     or badly adjusted saddle [syn: saddle sore]
    	[..]
    	2: irritate or vex; "It galls me that we lost the suit" [syn:
    	irk]

Whereas http://dictionary.die.net/wormwood

    	n : any of several low composite herbs of the genera Artemisia
    	   or Seriphidium
    	[..]
    	2. Anything very bitter or grievous; bitterness.

Personification is approved.

    > > I use moc, myself.
    >
    > Oh, cool! I'd never run across it before, and since Midnight Commander
    > is one of my favorite apps, it makes for an excellent and consistent
    > look on my desktop. Thanks!

That prompted me to 'apt-get install mc" cheers for rminding me about it.

    > > I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
    > > than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
    > > possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
    > >                                            -- Sir Stephen Henry Roberts
    >
    > [grin] I've always liked that one, but I've seen it attributed to half a
    > dozen different people so far.

Yeah, I must have picked up one of the bad ones. http://freelink.wildlink.com/quote_history.php

    --
    Chris.
    ======
    I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
    than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
    possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
                                               -- Sir Stephen F Roberts

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Ben Okopnik [ben at linuxgazette.net]

Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:06:47 -0400

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 03:43:13PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:

    > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 09:04:48AM -0400, Ben Okopnik wrote:
    > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 05:44:41PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
    > > >
    > > > And the developers had the gaul to moan about the bugs being submitted
    >                                ^^^^
    > 			     oops.
    >
    > > > complaining about how it isn't like xmms.
    > >
    > > Must be because they're French.  You did notice how 'xmms2' is
    > > divided into three parts?
    > >
    > > ("gall" is ostensibly what the developers have. Perhaps along with
    > > wormwood, since they're probably bitter about the complaints.
    >
    > mmm ... http://dictionary.die.net/gall
    >
    > 	n 1: an open sore on the back of a horse caused by ill-fitting
    > 	     or badly adjusted saddle [syn: saddle sore]
    > 	[..]
    > 	2: irritate or vex; "It galls me that we lost the suit" [syn:
    > 	irk]

From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:

      gall
          n 1: an open sore on the back of a horse caused by ill-fitting
               or badly adjusted saddle [syn: {saddle sore}, {gall}]

          [...]

          6: the trait of being rude and impertinent; inclined to take
             liberties [syn: {crust}, {gall}, {impertinence}, {impudence},
             {insolence}, {cheekiness}, {freshness}]

I was, of course, just playing one of my favorite games: conflating the different meanings of a word for fun and profit.

    > Whereas http://dictionary.die.net/wormwood
    >
    > 	n : any of several low composite herbs of the genera Artemisia
    > 	   or Seriphidium
    > 	[..]
    > 	2. Anything very bitter or grievous; bitterness.
    >
    > Personification is approved.

"Wormwood and gall" is one of those wonderful biblical constructions, signifying - of course - bitterness and pain. A great piece of writing, that.

       "It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever
       fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a
       wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies."
        -- Mark Twain, "Letters from the Earth"

    > > > I use moc, myself.
    > >
    > > Oh, cool! I'd never run across it before, and since Midnight Commander
    > > is one of my favorite apps, it makes for an excellent and consistent
    > > look on my desktop. Thanks!
    >
    > That prompted me to 'apt-get install mc" cheers for rminding me about
    > it.

[laugh] Ah, a fair exchange. Score!

    --
    * Ben Okopnik * Editor-in-Chief, Linux Gazette * http://LinuxGazette.NET *

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